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Si au iesit trei bucati.
Avem CM 25, iar de maine construim, zidim, facem amenajare peisagistica.
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- Ca idee generala, incearca sa "croiesti" niste picioruse pe care sa stea piatra... cum ar veni, sa ai piatra "suspendata" deasupra nisipului, NU "asezata" pe el.
- Curentii creati de pompele de valuri trebuie sa spele mizeria si sa nu lase detritusul sa se adune prin locuri inaccesibile. Te va ajuta la calitatea apei.
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koala wrote:- Ca idee generala, incearca sa "croiesti" niste picioruse pe care sa stea piatra... cum ar veni, sa ai piatra "suspendata" deasupra nisipului, NU "asezata" pe el.
- Curentii creati de pompele de valuri trebuie sa spele mizeria si sa nu lase detritusul sa se adune prin locuri inaccesibile. Te va ajuta la calitatea apei.
Exact asta am sa fac.
Bucatelele alea de langa dalta pentru asta le-am pregatit, dar nu stiam daca ar fi bine asa.
Vreau sa suspend pe ele pietrele mari cu CM25, ca niste inaltatoare si apoi sa pun nisip pe dedesupt.
Am mai pregatit o bucatica, pe care sa asez trunchiul de coral, ca o semibolta pe bucata aceea.
Vom vedea ce iese.
vreau sa fie cat mai aerisit aranjamentul pietrelor, ca circule si apa peste tot, dar sa aiba loc si vietatile sa se ascunda.
Va trebui sa fiu atent si sa le prind foarte bine. Am vazut ca pompele alea de valuri baga ceva debit si cred ca pot muta si darma usor o piatra neprinsa.
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Nu te speria de debitul nominal al pompelor de valuri... e altfel de miscare a apei, e mai mult o "invalmaseala" decat un jet liniar.
Nu cad pietrele, dar, in schimb, iti vor muta nisipul.
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Pietrele le las asa, sau le curat?
Au pete maronii si negricioase.
Cu ce se curata? Spalatorul cu presiune nu a facut mai nimic.
E ok cu otet ca sa le albesc? Sau mai bine le las asa?
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troponel wrote:Mufe eu am cumparatbde la valrom dar sigur gasesti si la romstal sediul central in zona targului vitan
Multumesc de sfat.
De la Romstal am luat o parte si de la Valrom restul
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Pietrele se pot curata cu apa de osmoza amestecata cu otet
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Ok. Multumesc. Asta am lamurit-o deci.
Ramane intrebarea, sa le curat sau sa le las asa. Cam in cat timp se "murdaresc" la loc?
Am scos cu o penseta cateva resturi de "nu stiu ce" de prin piatra. (mortaciuni putrezite, alge,...nu stiu, dar erau uscate)
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Este obligatoriu sa fie curatate, in caz contrar acele resturi/mortaciuni sunt surse importante de fosfat lucru pe care trebuie sa il eviti cu orice pret.
Nu iti fa probleme, pietrele se vor colora, in prima faza se vor acoperii de diatome, cyano, alge ( nu iti doresc asta dar putini dintre noi au scapat fara), iar apoi daca parametrii vor fi ok se vor acoperi cu coralina.
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atar wrote:Ramane intrebarea, sa le curat sau sa le las asa. Cam in cat timp se "murdaresc" la loc?...
Ia o cadita de plastic si umple-o cu otet... scoate-o afara, ca pute de-ti rupe nasul.
Pune pietrele acolo si lasa-le 2-3 zile... o sa arda tot si-or sa se curete. O sa faca spume, nu e de joaca!
Dupa aia, clateste-le bine cu apa de osmoza!...
Merge si fara, da' va trebui sa te-astepti la episoade de "fosfati si nitrati"... din mortaciunile existente deja in piatra.
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koala wrote:
Ia o cadita de plastic si umple-o cu otet... scoate-o afara, ca pute de-ti rupe nasul.
1 l otet 10 apa
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melcu wrote:1 l otet 10 apa 
Depinde, daca vrea sa le curete de fosfati, sau daca vrea doar le "cosmetizeze" oleaca.
Procedura standard e urmatoarea:
- baie in otet... nu in solutie diluata!
- astfel se dizolva stratul superficial al pietrei, acolo unde "zac" fosfatii.
- clateala cu apa dulce.
- baie in clor (solutie de masina de spalat, sau apa + pastile d-alea de inalbitor)
- asta dizolva materia organica (mortaciunile) care a ramas prin gaurile pietrei,
- clatiri repetate cu apa dulce si uscare in aer liber... clorul se evapora.
Ambele proceduri e bine sa fie facute in aer liber, deoarece mirosul e groaznic.
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Multumesc de sfaturi.
Ieri am lipit inaltatoarele de pietre.
De o ora sfaraie in curte in otet intr-o cada.
In 30l apa am bagat 10 sticle de otet.
Maine rezolvam si clorul.
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koala wrote:
- baie in clor (solutie de masina de spalat, sau apa + pastile d-alea de inalbitor)
- asta dizolva materia organica (mortaciunile) care a ramas prin gaurile pietrei,
Si albeste piatra
Atentie la otet, de preferabil sa nu fie cu diverse arome si sub nici o forma sa nu fie balsamic.
Se gasesc bidoane de 5 litri in Carrefour, costa cam 10 lei bucata.
Clor n-am pus chiar asa mult, 5 litri la 30 litri apa, dar totusi a albit foarte fain piatra.
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Sfaraie.
Am inmiresmat toata curtea. Si vecinii cred ca devin incet partasi la experienta mea acvaristica
Pana pa la 7 seara nici nu ma mai apropii de cada.
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Inca o intrebare: pot folosi poxipol sau alti adezivi den Bison?
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Numai Ceresit CM25?
Inseamna ca am pus prea putin sau trebuia sa stea mai mult se 24 ore la uscat.
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Il prepari ca pentru gresie/faianta si trebuie sa stea 24 de ore la uscat
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Intrebarea ramane. Numai CM25?
Poxipol transparent? Silicon? Altceva?
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CM 25 e un adeziv puternic, se placheaza cu gresie in exterior, in piscine, etc.
Daca vrei sa faci constructii din piatra, e bine sa le faci si niste ranforsari cu baghete/tije din plastic
Exemplu: http://www.sierra.ro/-c209c.html
Daca piatra e foarte mare, poti face armatura si cu teava ppr de 20mm
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