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Salut, am acvariul (63L+filtru extern+bacterii FilterStart) de cca. 10 zile, bine-nteles ca l-am umplut cu plante si pesti (vivipari+sanitari+neoni), le dau mancare + vitamine, Aqua Plant + 7 bile, EasyCarbo, ma rog, tot ce trebuie.
Stiu ca m-am grabit cu ciclarea, asta e, nu ma omorati!
Ce vreau sa va povestesc e ca acel test JBL 5 in 1 despre care toata lumea zice ca e apa de ploaie si arata bine intotdeauna la toata lumea, mie imi arata bine acum o saptamana, alb-alb adica 0-0 pt. nitrati-nitriti iar acum e roz-roz adica undeva peste 50mg/l NO3 si peste 5mg/l NO2. E muci, ce mai! Am citit ciclul azotului si ma astept la valori si mai nashpa!
Intrebarea e, sau mai degraba intrebarile sunt:
1. Pestii momentan sunt bine, merci, mananca, se c...a, se mai si fugaresc, par normali.
In final oare vor face fata distractiei? Le mai dau de mancare?
2. JBL recomanda pt. scaderea valorilor schimb de apa, NitratEX, BioNitratEx, ClearMec, FilterStart, Denitrol.
Voi ce-mi recomandati?
3. Jegul de pe pietris din cate stiu e plin de amoniac, nitriti, nitrati. Cum scap de el fara sa scot si pietrisul?
Multumesc mult!
P.S. Zicea Dolly ca incep acush cu intrebarile...
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1. Adevarata ciclare se realizeaza cu pesti in acvariu, pentru ca ei vor elimina prin branhii si urina amoniacul care sta la baza ciclului N, ulterior fiind transformat in nitrit si apoi in nitrat. Nu se pun insa foarte multi pesti deodata. Acum...hrana foarte putina si schimb zilnic de apa, dar putina, maxim 10%, apa statuta 24 ore ptr declorinare.
Si, bineinteles, teste zilnice sau la 2 zile.
2. Clearmec. E cel mai complet, eliminand si NO2 si NO3. Dar, dupa 2 luni se scot acei saculeti. Clearmecul e de fapt o rasina care "absoarbe" aceste toxice din apa, "inmagazinandu-le" in structura ei. Si sa nu te astepti ca de a doua zi sa ai valorile scazute....are nevoie de cateva zile pana se poate observa efectul.
3. Se aspira substratul cu un aspirator de substrat. Pietrisul va ramane in bazin.
Succes!
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Asculta-l pe Minnardy ca stie el ce zice.
E adevarat ca testele 5 in 1 de la JBL sunt cum sunt, dar asta e. Teste adevarate ti-am zis unde gasesti.
Daca nu gasesti Clearmec, poti face urmatoarea treaba - schimburi de apa din 2 in 2 zile - cu apa statuta, normal, in care sa adaugi Easystart si Aqua-San conform prospectului. Sau vezi daca gasesti ceva bacterii din gama ProdiBio pentru ciclarea bazinului. Aspirarea substratului obligatorie si mincare putina.
Si nu te speria, ca nu e chiar asa dramatic.
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Si poti baga si plante cu crestere rapida, preferabil lipsite de radacini (ex : ceratophyllum, anubias, moss-uri) si plante de suprafata (riccia, pistia) care isi asigura substantele nutritive DOAR din masa apei. NO3 e una din substantele "indragite" de plante.
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Si Ceratopteris, Egeria densa, Elodeea - le poti planta sau le poti lasa la suprafata. Noroc cu djphazer ca uitasem de asta.
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Ideea lui Djphazer este, de asemenea foarte buna, doar ca plantele care ti le indica nus chiar toate potrivite. Merge foarte bine Ceratophyllum si Pistia...anubias nu prea e o planta cu crestere rapida, mossurile....hmmm...nici ele nu prea cresc rapid...Riccia nu stiu cat de rapid cerste ca nu am avut never. Dar, regina plantelor cu crestere rapida si consum mare de NO3 din apa, este Egeria densa. Baga multa !
Asa...vad ca ti s-a spus intre timp
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Am Egeria densa sau Elodeea, nu stiu, ca seamana din ce vad pe google, Cabomba si 2 feluri de anubias. Sa nu le mai dau fertilizanti pt. a le obliga sa-si ia nitratii din apa?
A, si frunzele se acopera usor cu un fel de ceata... Incep algele?
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Si unde mai pui ca Ceratophyllum, Pistia si Egeria densa previn intrucitva si aparitia algelor.  Iar pina nu se stabilizeaza cit de cit acvariul, ar fi bine sa te limitezi doar la citeva specii de plante - cele mentionate deja. Nu baga feritizanti inca. Nu mai tin minte de ce ai pus bilele de la JBL in substrat...parca aveai Blyxa si inca ceva, tot pretentios. Nu sunt tocmai potrivite acum. Dar, cu putin noroc si cu indeminare, ai sa vezi ca le poti "pacali" - daca esti dibaci  si o scoti la capat cu bine.
Totul e sa nu te descurajezi. Iar daca iti apar alge - Doamne fereste!!! -sa nu bagi vreo solutie impotriva lor. Exista si alte metode mai blindute de a scapa de ele.
LE - cred ca am postat in acelasi timp. Ia de citeste ce ti-am scris. Iar daca ai probleme cu algele, incearca sa pui poze clare sau fa o descriere cit mai amanuntita.
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Elodea - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elodea
Egeria densa - http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/details.php?id=92
Seamana si nu prea.  Vezi ce scrie la fiecare. Si uita-te cu atentie la frunze.
Dar oricum ar fi, ambele sunt bune pt ciclarea bazinului.
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Aha, momentan am schimbat apa, maine mai bag niste bacterii si momentan fara fertilizanti.
Am inteles, va tin la curent.
In orice caz, 5in1 ala nu e chiar varza, s-a colorat zdravan, nu stiu daca si valorile indicate sunt ok, dar macar te alerteaza!
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ThePhotographer.ro wrote: momentan am schimbat apa
Ce cantiate ai schimbat? Ai mai pus vreo substanta?
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E clar: Egeria Am pus Aqua-San.
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Bravo. Ai sa vezi ca valorile apei vor fi in curind ok.  Si incet, incet, vor disparea si algele - daca le ai. Orice acvariu proaspat setat se mai confrunta cu unele alge care dispar dupa ce acesta se maturizeaza.
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Azotitii si azotatii sunt dati naibii, au niste valori de mi-au facut roz-bombon testele! Ma mir ca n-au iesit pestii din apa cu pancarte! Asa ca am mai scos 10% din apa cu o scula prismoidala foarte eficienta de la Sera - abia la sfarsit am vazut in galeata ca apa scoasa era plina de mizerii - deci e foarte eficient "aspiratorul" si n-a fost scump deloc! Am inlocuit-o cu apa statuta + Aqua-San. Am bagat ClearMec in filtru + ProdiBio StartUp dupa reteta (in filtru 1Biodigest, in apa 1Biodigest + 1STOP AMMO). Asta chiar a fost scump. La cat am dat pe el ar trebui sa colcaie bacteriile - ei se lauda cu vreo 50 miliarde bacterii pe fiola!!! Si am pus 2! Wehehehe...
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ThePhotographer.ro wrote:Si am pus 2! Wehehehe...
Asa ai fost sfatuit sau...exces de zel?
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Nu, asa zice prospectul Biodigest: 1 in filtru, 1 in apa.
Foarte curios sunt sa vad testele de maine seara! Va tin la curent.
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Banuiesc ca nu mai schimb apa o saptamana, sa las ProdiBio ala sa-si faca treaba, nu?
Si totusi, la valori mari ale amoniacului/nitritilor/nitratilor pestii nu trebuiau sa innoate pe spate?
Daca nu eram maniac sa masor zilnic apa sau daca se nu-mi permiteam sa cumpar teste, nu stiam niciodata nimic la cat de vioi si plini de pofte sunt astia...
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Cite fiole de ai cumparat din fiecare?
Uite cum se folosesc - Stop Ammo - http://www.reef.ro/web/reef/detalii_produs/_pd_/Prodibio_Stop_Ammo-12_fiole
Start-up - http://www.reef.ro/web/reef/detalii_produs/_pd_/Prodibio_Start-up-6_-4_+_2-_fiole
De la magazin nu ti s-a dat nici un prospect? Te intreb pt ca schimburile de apa se mai adauga inca o fiola pina acvariul se pune pe picioare.
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Am luat StartUp de 6 fiole adica 2 StopAmmo si 4BioDigest. Pe post de prospect sunt cele 3-4 randuri de pe cutie care zic cam acelasi lucru. Deci mai schimb apa zilnic?
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Vezi si tu cum se prezinta. Nu cred ca e nevoie sa faci schimburile de apa chiar zilnic. Dar teste de apa, da.
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